Cervelo’s new P3
Carbon created a buzz in the triathlon world like
no other single bike in the history of the sport.
It was the first triathlon bike to win “Best
of Show” from two media outlets at the Las Vegas
Interbike Show in 2004 during its surprise unveiling.
Since the introduction of the P3C and its much anticipated
arrival on shop floors earlier this year people have
scrambled to get P3 Carbons.
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After fitting most sizes of P3C we learned
a great deal about working with Cervelo's
new superbike.
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Careful positioning when you buy your P3 Carbon
will optimize your ownership experience.
There is good reason for the excitement. The P3 Carbon
is the least expensive and may be the best of the
“Superbike” triathlon bike category. With
a published US Retail of $4399 on Cervelo’s
website for the Dura-Ace equipped P3 Carbon it is
not an inexpensive bike, but it is a bargain. By contrast,
a Quintana Roo Lucero with Dura-Ace is nearly $1000
north of the P3C on price alone at $5295.00 and does
not feature the same aerodynamic benefits or the esteemed
Tour de France pedigree as the P3C.
This isn’t a review of the Cervelo
P3 Carbon.
It is an overview of the considerations
that should surround your investigation of whether
or not a Cervelo P3 Carbon is a suitable choice for
you. No one bike is perfect for everyone and the primary
determining factor in whether or not a bike is an
optimal choice is ultimately a matter of if it fits
you optimally: Your dimensions compared to the bike
dimensions. With the fervor surrounding the release
of the P3 Carbon at Interbike 2005 in September ’04
it is worth tempering the enthusiasm for the bike
with some investigation of its dimensions and features.
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There is the name of the size... and then there
are the dimnsions of the bike.
First, some background: Cervelo’s original
P3 is the design that changed the way functional
aerodynamic frames look. Cervelo’s Phil
White and Gerard Vroomen got their start in
vehicle design largely with Human Powered Vehicles.
There is a heavy emphasis on aerodynamics and
materials applications in HPV design and construction.
More importantly, HPV designers operate largely
unfettered by the constraints of conventional
bicycle design. They are free to meld shapes
and fairings almost at will without concern
for the restrictive rules of cycling and triathlon
governing bodies. In short, Vroomen and White
got their start thinking way outside of the
box. The P3 was the first attempt to put those
thoughts in a saleable, ride-able, competitively
rule compliant package for bicycle racing and
triathlon use.
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A classsic aero position on a new P3C with
a slightly higher front end for good comfort.
To say that the
P3 family is a success is a polite understatement.
The designation “P3” has now grown
into a family of bikes with a long lineage
of proven design and a list of race victories
completely unmatched by any other time trial/triathlon
specific frame in history.
These are the facts:
Stock
P3’s, P3SL’s and P3 Carbons
have been ridden in every major Tour de
France and stage race time trial since their
introduction. These are the same bikes on
your Cervelo dealer’s floor. No matter
how much money you have, you can likely
never own Michael Schumacher’s Formula
1 Ferrari, but you can own exactly the same
frame Ivan Basso and David Zabriskie rode
in the Tour de France. No other triathlon/time
trial bike manufacturer can say that.
The
P3 family has scored victories in every
distance triathlon from sprint to Ironman
and from the age group ranks up to numerous
top professional Ironman victories. This
is more impressive when you consider that
Cervelo gives away so few frames for sponsorships.
Most Cervelos used by pros to win an Ironman
had to be bought by the athlete.
No other
aero frame in history has had the same sales
and race success as the Cervelo P3 family.
As compared
to the Quintana Roo Lucero, Isaac Joule,
Kuota Kalibur and Guru Crono, the Cervelo
P3C is the least expensive of the molded
carbon fiber, aerodynamic triathlon bikes.
No other
carbon fiber triathlon bike has a rear wheel
cutout as precisely and tightly spaced to
the rear tire as the P3 Carbon, this is
a significant determining factor in improving
rear wheel and frame aerodynamics.
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My Cervelo P3SL in 53 cm parked against
a 54cm P3 Carbon. For me, the P3SL has
been a more precise fit.
With that kind
of resume the success of the P3 is impossible
to dispute. As the early aluminum P3’s
evolved the team of Vroomen/White occasionally
alluded to the fact that other materials
may take the P3 design concept to a new
level.
Following the introduction
of the P3SL version of the original P3
in ‘04/05 Cervelo surprised the
bike industry by unveiling the P3 Carbon
in Las Vegas. The P3C fit in with the
rest of the Vegas show girls- dressed
in meshy black and red, difficult to get
near, impossible to touch and characterized
by an alluring set of curves in all the
right places. The P3 Carbon mania was
born. The bike won “Best of Show”
from several media outlets covering the
Interbike Las Vegas trade show. People
lined up to plunk down cash for the bikes
even though the delivery time was over
the horizon. The P3 Carbon is like an
exotic sports car- exclusive, sexy and
tricky to obtain. To their credit, Cervelo
delivered. Inventories of P3 Carbons,
long since sold through, arrived on schedule
throughout the ’05 model year and
continue to flow. Production runs do continue
to remain sold out well in advance of
their completion though.
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Two relative views of the size difference
between the 53cm P3SL and the 54cm P3C.
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For me, the 54cm P3C was too large,
while the smaller 51 cm P3C was slightly
small. The 53 cm P3SL is my perfect
fit in the P3 family.
And like an exotic Ferrari,
Porsche or Lamborghini the P3 Carbon can
be cantankerous to buy and fit. As the
honeymoon nears its end after a year of
swooning over the P3 Carbon it is time
to see what it looks like with curlers
in its hair and no make-up at 5:00 AM.
Although Cervelo’s
President Gerard Vroomen argues differently,
P3 Carbon can be a tricky fit. A wild
ratio of seat tube length to top tube
length and a massive and schizophrenic
swing of seat angles make it a very large
palate for a bike fitter to work on when
positioning a rider. It is very easy to
get the fit and position wrong. To make
matters more confounding, the size names
of the P3 Carbon are rooted in “virtual
dimensions” and are highly codified.
This is “virtual sizing” at
its best, and may have been better served
with more subjective designations such
as T-Shirt size names like “Small,
Medium and Large” As it is, the
numerical designations for the size names
are simply confusing.
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Here is a look at the actual seat tube
length dimension on a 54cm frame.
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From center of bottom bracket to top
of seat tube the 54 cm frame measures
exactly 51.3 cm.
The P3 Carbon is sold
in six different size names: 48 (with
650c wheels), 51, 54, 56, 58 and 61. There
is almost no connection between the names
of the sizes and the dimensions of the
sizes. For instance, a size named 56cm
Cervelo P3 Carbon has a seat tube that
measures exactly 52.7 centimeters from
the center of the bottom bracket shell
to the top of the seat tube in a straight
line. Measured from center to center the
56cm named P3C is 50.5 centimeters. Initially
these dimensions sound miniscule for a
bike called a 56cm, but the length of
the top tube and structural role of the
seat post on the P3 Carbon in fitting
and positioning make the bike actually
run a trifle large for a 56cm frame- even
though it only measures 52.7 centimeters
total seat tube length for a 56cm frame.
Confused? Keep on reading…
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Top tube length dimension is 58 cm total
on a 54 cm size name frame.
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Here is a look at the total 58 cm measurement
to the 3.5 cm center of the 7 cm deep
seatpost.
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And a depiction of the difference between
the "actual" dimension including
the white bracket and the "functional"
dimension.
When you put the tape measure on the 56cm
Cervelo P3 Carbon’s top tube you
find out it measures an expansive 60 centimeters
from center of seat tube to center of
head tube. Cervelo’s website reports
the top tube length at 54.5 cm when configured
in the 78 degree seat tube angle orientation
and 58.9 centimeters when configured in
the 75 degree orientation. And this is
where it gets fuzzy: In fitting numerous
P3 Carbons we effectively agree with Cervelo’s
representation of the “virtual”
top tube lengths. However, as the rider
trends toward the steep end of the fit
envelope they may be better served to
transition down a frame size to the 54
centimeter frame to avoid having to use
too short of a handlebar stem.
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The super aerodynamic, massive carbon
seatpost provides generous fore/aft
adjustment.
The P3 Carbon uses a massive
7 cm deep carbon fiber, aerodynamic bladed
seat post that is proprietary to Cervelo.
The head of the post features two orifices
that enable the clamp to be oriented in
a forward configuration or a more relaxed
rearward orientation. One 5 millimeter
bolt adjusts the saddle tilt or angle
and clamps the angle in place. The adjustment
for angle from the horizontal (angle of
attack?) is universal. It is not ratcheted
even though there are splines to help
the assembly stay tight. This is important
since you can achieve any angle with the
saddle. The clamping assembly is the best
on any bike I’ve seen. It is solid,
durable and extremely difficult to damage.
Several other bike manufacturers could
learn a lot from this design. It really
works very, very well and is extremely
easy to adjust. One criticism, if you
like to ride with your saddle slightly
off center, angled to one side or the
other, you can’t do that on a P3
Carbon. The saddle must be in straight
orientation to the frame.
The total range of adjustment
fore/aft on the saddle is +/- 7 cm at
least. That is a huge range of relative
seat tube angles. This is where bike fitters
may get lost. With a tendency to get onto
to a larger size than may be optimal due
to the top tube length there will be some
P3C’s set up with the rider in wrong
place over the bottom bracket. The issue
with a bike that has such a large fit
band is the fitter is largely responsible
for getting it right.
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The difference between the rearward
most configuration of the P3C and the
forward most is a massive 7 cm.
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Bike fitters have a huge range of adjustment
for their clients and it is important
to get it right.
I’ve done a number
of fittings on the 51cm, 54cm and 56cm
P3 Carbons. In two instances the people
who bought 54cm frames were switched onto
51cm frames. In my opinion, the P3C has
a tendency to run large.
I originally ordered a
54cm P3C for myself as a race bike. Consumer
demand meant my bike kept getting passed
over to deliver bikes to customers who
bought bikes a year ago. When he 54cm
did arrive for me I did a test fitting
and found its proportions were too large.
Earlier this year I was on a 53cm Cervelo
P3SL which was a perfect fit.
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A relative view of the 56cm frame on
the left and the 51 cm frame on the
right for comparison.
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Another look at the comparison of head
tube height between a 56 cm P3C and
51 cm.
The 53 cm P3SL had a 52.1
centimeter seat tube from center of bottom
bracket to top of seat tube. The 54cm
P3 Carbon has a 51.3 centimeter seat tube
from center of bottom bracket to top of
seat tube. That means the “smaller”
P3SL in 53cm is actually 8 millimeters
larger than the 54cm P3C.
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Elegant, durable, lightweight, simple
and secure: Cervelo's design of their
seatpost head is brilliant.
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One bolt provides easy adjustment and
secure clamping. There is almost nothing
to fail. Other bike companies could
learn a lot form this.
The 53 cm P3SL has a total
top tube length of 56 cm measured center
to center. The 54cm P3 Carbon has a top
tube length of 58 cm measured center to
center, partially due to the thickness
or depth of the seat tube.
Head tubes measure 102 millimeters
for the 54cm P3C and 87 millimeters on the 53cm
P3SL.
My impressions of riding the
P3C in 54cm with the exact same positional dimensions
(reach, saddle fore/aft, saddle height) as my
53cm P3SL was that the bike was too large. My
53cm P3SL felt more precise and proportional
with better handling, climbing and weight distribution
as well as a wider band of “fidget room”
to choke up on the aerobars while riding to
change positions on the saddle. For me, the
51cm P3C seems to be the better option between
the 54 cm and the 51 cm. As I mentioned- it
is easy to buy the wrong size in this bike.
My recommendation is to visit a good bike fitter
with experience fitting and riding P3C’s
and take their recommendations.
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My 53 cm P3SL head tube on the left
in a lower, more aero orientation and
a 54 cm P3C in a higher orientation.
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And another perspective for a relative
comparison between 53cm P3SL and 54
cm P3C.
We’ll follow on
in a few months with a review of the P3
Carbon after we’ve ridden enough
miles in the real world on the bike. Right
now, even owning the bike is a difficult
proposition for a bike shop owner since
customer demand for the bike has been
so vigorous. Simply put: No one can keep
the bikes in stock. Now that production
is up and running and P3 Carbons are being
delivered production allocations are selling
through literally faster than the bikes
can be built. Had we been able to fill
every order for a P3 Carbon in 2005 our
store would have increased the number
of P3 Carbons we delivered by at least
five times. If you want a P3 Carbon for
the 2006 racing season, you better buy
the bike right now.